Autore di molti libri tra i quali Capitalismo e libertà, Liberi di scegliere e Due persone fortunate, Friedman si dimostra un ottimo divulgatore ed uno dei più insigni rappresentanti del pensiero liberista in economia del nostro tempo. I think you're saying he's actually at number 3. Svariati esponenti del governo autoritario di Pinochet avrebbero studiato a Chicago con borse di studio finanziate da grandi multinazionali statunitensi come la ITT (telecomunicazioni), secondo quanto afferma la Klein in Shock economy (Rizzoli, 2007). Generally you are talking about different things than i was, and put words into my mouth. In summary: Radical opposition to the state hiding behind the cover of liberalism is nothing less but the return of social power hierarchy by other means. Become engaged in a community that shares an interest in the mission of the Hoover Institution to advance policy ideas that promote economic opportunity and prosperity, while securing and safeguarding peace for America and all mankind. You might disagree with those views, but nothing in those quotes strike me as requiring an analysis of Friedman's social conservatism. Pollution is actually good for you. Please share. If the state does not step in, the business will keep doing bad things," is my reaction, and I think it's standard among liberals. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Conservatism has meant different things depending on time and context. Sarebbero ancora meglio se riuscissero a sbarazzarsi della giunta ed essere in grado di avere un sistema democratico libero.», Specialmente si pronunciò contro gli abusi (come omicidi politici e le sparizioni degli oppositori), parte delle sistematiche violazioni dei diritti umani avvenuti sotto il governo militare, anche se solo a partire dagli anni '80. He was invited by a private bank to do a six-day visit and to give speeches on the "Fragility of Freedom" during the rule of Pinochet. [13], «I have nothing good to say about the political regime that Pinochet imposed. Neoliberalism is criticized for giving markets too much power over our lives. The state has to choke their money until they comply with human morals. People listen to them though. «Ma penso che sia inoltre molto chiaro che non bisogna essere un esperto dei testi di Friedman per rendersi conto che Milton è per il controllo assoluto della riserva monetaria da parte dello Stato, che è a favore del 3 o 4 per cento di aumento della riserva monetaria (i numeri cambiano in continuazione) da parte dello Stato ogni anno, che è a favore di un'imposta sul reddito negativa che è essenzialmente un reddito annuale garantito dallo Stato e che è a favore di un programma di buoni che lascerebbe allo Stato il solido controllo dell'istruzione. It is telling to me that this empty anti-Friedman response contains no substance but mass upvotes, whereas the knowledgeable, deep, high effort and well written explanations of Friedman's theory and corrections of the OP's characterization sit far below. He explicitly defends religious private schools in that context as well. THE NEOLIBERAL THEORY OF SOCIETY Simon Clarke ... As Milton Friedman put it, neoliberalism rests on the ‘elementary proposition that both parties to an economic transaction benefit from it, provided the transaction is bilaterally voluntary and informed’ (Friedman, 1962, I still don't understand communism. I disagree, because the same logic can be applied to politics and politicians: They will never come up with morals on their own. New York: St. Martin's Press. They listen to money. For him it's about the absence of discriminatory action, not about enforced individual rights. You better have some empirical evidence that is based in economics to support your supposition. Well, firstly i claim there is some conservatism to his arguments and ideas, not that he is a pure conservative, secondly i think his own phrasing is rather telling: I do not believe there should be any discrimination against gays. Help Advance Ideas Defining a Free Society. . [8] Nella prima di queste visite, sostenne pubblicamente che la libertà economica non poteva nel lungo periodo conciliarsi con una dittatura e che quindi un regime militare non potesse essere sostenuto, in quanto non essendo controllato dal voto popolare tendeva a stabilizzarsi e a portare sotto di sé l'economia, generando l'ennesimo statalismo; quindi solo la democrazia politica poteva conciliarsi con il liberismo. If that means I'm abdicating them of responsibility, it's because I'm putting that responsibility on the state. Privatization of social policy is undemocratic. Depending on your moral framework, yes, conservatism can be extremely bad. An unrepentant supporter of free markets, he pushed economics towards markets and politics towards the right. "But he was for gay rights, how can you claim he is a conservative?" In 2006, Hendry said that Friedman was guilty of "serious errors" of misunderstanding that meant "the t-rati… For the right, including the heirs and acolytes of Milton Friedman, the failures of both state socialism and the Keynesian welfare state made the political triumph of neoliberal ideas inevitable. It's best we all just assume responsibility where we are: As managers, politicians or citizens. Fondatore del pensiero monetarista , insignito del Premio Nobel per l'economia nel 1976 , il suo pensiero ed i suoi studi hanno influenzato molte teorie economiche, soprattutto in campo monetario . Economic theory is inherently political. The real miracle is that a military junta was willing to let them do it.», «Il vero miracolo in Cile non è stato che quelle riforme economiche abbiano funzionato così bene, ma che fu Adam Smith a dire che esse avrebbero funzionato. But just out of curiosity: What are your top five conservative ideas? Liberalism, as it developed in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and flowered in the nineteenth, puts major emphasis on the freedom of individuals to control their own destinies. Again it is a liberalism which does not make people more free, it just transfers authority from the political to the economic sphere. Il generale, anticomunista e reazionario (e con simpatie parafasciste essendo ammiratore del franchismo), e la sua giunta erano difatti completamente digiuni di finanza e non sapevano come impostare l'economia, essendosi concentrati solo sulla repressione di marxisti e oppositori, per cui alcuni ex studenti di Friedman già in previsione del golpe gli avevano suggerito di rivolgersi per consigli al loro insegnante dell'università. In his opposition to inheritance taxes Friedman said the following: As you grow up you will discover, that this is really a family society and not an individual society [...] And the greatest incentives of all, the incentives that really driven people on, have largely been the incentives of family creation, of family, pursuing, establishing of their family. If you want to know more about positive and negative rights, please go to Wikipedia. Speciale su Milton Friedman a cura di RadioRadicale.it, Cavaliere di I Classe dell'Ordine del Sacro Tesoro (Giappone), La lettera a Pinochet di Friedman e risposta del generale, Milton Milton Friedman - Pinochet And Chile - video, Disaster Statism. Milton Friedman was a firebrand. My reading of this Friedman quote is that expecting businesses to do the job of democratically elected governments is fundamentally undemocratic. Ho avuto molte dimostrazioni contro di me per quello che ho detto in Cile. And if Corbynites, Bernie Bros, Trumpites and Brexiteers were the Jacobins of the modern left and right, neoliberals are the liberal anti-Jacobins opposing them. In 1980 the Chicago-school economist Milton Friedman produced a PBS TV series on his ideas, aptly titled “Free to Choose.” At the focus of the first episode was none other than Hong Kong. Quando sono tornato dalla Cina comunista, ho scritto una lettera al giornale Stanford Daily in cui ho scritto: "è curioso. Let's look at a few other examples, where behind a supposedly liberal argument lurks a rather conservative idea of hierarchy. In our world - the real world - it's a sorry excuse for a total abdication of moral responsibility by corporate entities. it's a sorry excuse for a total abdication of moral responsibility by corporate entities. Press J to jump to the feed. What’s most evident from this growing popular debate about neoliberalism – whether from left-leaning critics or right-leaning advocates – is that there are many different views of neoliberalism; not just what it mea… I don't expect businesses to ever act on morals themselves. It adds little to discourse beyond making a theoretical distinction from which to test the ideological purity of other. Ho tenuto in Cina esattamente le stesse lezioni che ho tenuto in Cile. Alcuni economisti e docenti americani insegnarono in Cile durante la dittatura, ma Friedman non lo fece mai (tranne nelle due volte in cui venne ospite). gathering rather than the kind of intense intellectual community it once was,” Milton Friedman wrote in 1987 to his friend and comrade-in-arms, Arthur Seldon, founder of the Institute for Economic Affairs, a British pro-market think tank. [19], Il 17 ottobre 1988 venne insignito della Medaglia presidenziale della libertà, la prestigiosa onorificenza statunitense, dal Presidente Ronald Reagan[20], che condivideva la sua visione liberale e liberista dell'economia. I this really about the distinction of positive and negative rights? I am hearing echos of negative rights and positive rights in your post. 4,6 su 5 stelle 465. Econometrician David Hendrycriticized part of Friedman's and Anna Schwartz's 1982 Monetary Trends. Farmand, Law and Public Opinion, “Neo-Liberalism and its Prospects” by Milton Friedman. There is excellent information there. So I don't see any point in saying "Businesses have a moral responsibility." Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ... Friedman's monetary framework has been so influential that in its broad outlines at least, ... Moderator of r/neoliberal, speaking officially just now. Voglio dire, se siete per lo Stato che controlla la riserva monetaria, il sistema educativo ed un reddito annuale garantito, è detto tutto. Denial is reason. Questo perché, secondo Rothbard, gli economisti come Friedman non sono abbastanza netti nell'affermare che lo Stato è sempre un fattore negativo nell'equilibrio della società e vorrebbero decidere caso per caso quali sono le funzioni in cui è opportuno l'intervento dello Stato. Soot only kills the weak lung cells. Please read the sidebar for more information. [11], Lo stesso Friedman ha comunque sempre evitato qualsiasi sostegno politico attivo al regime di Pinochet, da cui ha anzi preso le distanze in più occasioni:.mw-parser-output .citazione-table{margin-bottom:.5em;font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .citazione-table td{padding:0 1.2em 0 2.4em}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang{vertical-align:top}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td{width:50%}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td:first-child{padding:0 0 0 2.4em}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td:nth-child(2){padding:0 1.2em}, «Chile is not a politically free system, and I do not condone the system. The conflict of interest is naked and clear when union officals are asked to subordinate the interest of their members to some more general social purpose. He believed that businesses taking any consideration other than shareholder profit into consideration was socialism. «Non mi importa come sono qualificato – diceva –, voglio che la gente pensi alle idee e a quello che possono portare». The only way to expect a business to behave morally is to force it. "The business did a bad thing, but if its workers owned all its shares, they would have voted against it. If the union officials try to enforce wage restraint, the consequence is likely to be wildcat strikes, rank‐and‐file revolts and the emergence of strong competitors for their jobs. An illustrative example might be Friedmans opposition to the civil rights act. [...] In Chile, the drive for political freedom, that was generated by economic freedom and the resulting economic success, ultimately resulted in a referendum that introduced political democracy. Neoliberalism was communicated through a transatlantic network of think tanks, businessmen, politicians, and journalists that was held together by Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. Nel 2005 Friedman è stato il primo firmatario di un appello[25], sottoscritto da oltre 500 economisti statunitensi, atto a denunciare gli enormi costi (7,7 miliardi di dollari all'anno) del proibizionismo sulla marijuana. Gli esponenti della Scuola di Chicago, secondo le ricerche svolte dalla Klein, si sono resi complici di colpi di stato e di torture perpetrate nei confronti delle persone che si sono opposte alle scelte neoliberiste, spesso favorevoli alle speculazioni di multinazionali in terra straniera. He might have thought that homophobia would disappear on their own while supporters of more state action wanted the state to actively prevent discrimination. Fu un regime politico terribile. pp. I dont think is to uncommon in various strands of conservatism and 2. is a very bad thing imho. Behind Milton Friedmans radical liberalism is a lot of thinly veiled social conservatism and we need to talk about it. Alot of people seem to make this argument so I suspect they're reading something I haven't read yet. Yet he goes later on to say that we dont want a monopoly on the transmission of values. And we can play this game forever. Let's also not forget his membership of the economic policy advisory board of Ronald Reagan (whose response to the aids crisis one could describe as very liberal...), where he contributed to the apologia of trickle-down-economics, a spectre that haunts us to this day, Citizens United comes to mind. Friedman vs Keynes Il neoliberismo è una costola del capitolo globalizzazione, incredibilmente sottovalutata nella storia contemporanea. Those quotes about the importance of family and private religious organizations in teaching values are seem to me perfectly within the realm of acceptable belief. I didn't claim any such thing. D’altronde, Friedman non si preoccupava più di tanto per tutte queste critiche. Fondatore del pensiero monetarista, insignito del Premio Nobel per l'economia nel 1976, il suo pensiero ed i suoi studi hanno influenzato molte teorie economiche, soprattutto in campo monetario. The state should do nothing, because regulation is bad and I don't want the state to exercise the power it has," is some other straw person who doesn't believe force is ever justified. I think it is a purely semantical distinction that my fellow classical liberals are all too happy to make. In the context of school privatization he said: Shall the schools transmit values? Pinochet intraprese una serie di riforme economiche di stampo liberista che seguivano gli orientamenti di Friedman. Scientists, without the proper expertise commenting on something, especially to forward a political agenda. Businesses are wild beasts to which the concept of "trust" is nonsense. I fear that it might speak to a core disagreement that exists within this sub, but we'll see. The business should stop doing bad things, because I want it to stop. Queste cose sono abbastanza plateali; non c'è segreto a proposito. [5], Sono stati oggetto di controversia i suoi rapporti con il regime dittatoriale di Augusto Pinochet in Cile (1973-1990). The business will not listen to me. The politicians abdicate responsibility to the voters and they in turn can blame their behavior on the circumstances of their economy or state. Neoliberalism takes the Anglo-American economic model which has its theoretical origins in thinkers and institutions such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek and the Chicago School of Economics. By the second half of the 1980s, the neoliberal trans-Atlantic alliance between Reagan and Thatcher was on a This Friedman quote you offer means nothing to me and I certainly don't understand what it is about Friedman's position on the supremacy of shareholders over CEOs and corporate executives that is inconsistent with your take. Failure to control inflation is not a failure of labor unions, it is a failure of governance. seem to me perfectly within the realm of acceptable belief. Nessuno ha fatto obiezioni nei confronti di quello che ho detto in Cina. So you are an economist who thinks private religious schools are better than public school? As a consequence it's not only appropriated for political purposes, but it's discussion and creation is marked from the beginning on by an ideological tone. If it's prescriptive, yes. La sua regola di politica monetaria, incentrata nel conseguimento del controllo della crescita della massa monetaria, è stata utilizzata dalla Federal Reserve negli Stati Uniti ed anche dalla Banca centrale europea (BCE). Yet in light of the rise of Donald Trump and other nativist, anti-trade populists, there is a growing chorus of people extolling the virtues of neoliberalism. Il vero miracolo del Cile non è aver fatto bene economicamente; il vero miracolo del Cile è che una giunta militare fu disposta ad andare contro i suoi principi e sostenere un regime di libero mercato, progettata da credenti nel principio di un mercato libero. Ora, finalmente, il Cile ha tutte e tre le cose: la libertà politica, la libertà umana e la libertà economica. Im familiar with the distinction and i also dont think it‘s a distinction of matter, but rather rhetoric, but in some cases the different phrasing actually indicates different views. Milton Friedman: a biography. Considerava questa legge, come tutta la "guerra alla droga", "un sussidio virtuale del governo al crimine organizzato"[26], essendosi pronunciato spesso contro le politiche antidroga portate avanti dai governi americani (compresi quelli del Partito Repubblicano a cui lui si sentiva più vicino per le idee economiche): «Se le droghe fossero state depenalizzate diciassette anni fa, il crack non sarebbe mai stato inventato. It is important to be able to spot it and call it out. The state has to choke their money until they comply with human morals. They will never come up with morals on their own. Many classical liberals, seemingly Friedman too, believe in the primacy of negative rights which are a "freedom from..." You seem to personally value positive rights, which are a "freedom to..." This is most clear in your paragraph on LGBT rights. [...] In Cile, il movimento per la libertà politica, che è stato generato anche attraverso la libertà economica e il conseguente successo economico, si è concluso con un referendum che ha introdotto la democrazia politica. [9], Per le consulenze economiche rivolte a Pinochet, Milton Friedman è stato spesso criticato, come avvenuto svariate volte anche a José Piñera, economista liberista e allievo di Friedman a Chicago, poi Ministro di Pinochet e autore della riforma delle pensioni in Cile. Si oppose alla guerra del Golfo (1991) e alla guerra d'Iraq (2003)[21], e si espresse a favore di un reddito di cittadinanza accanto alla riduzione al minimo indispensabile dello stato assistenziale e del pesante welfare state. They listen to money. So it's close to your Number 1, but not exactly the same. Nel 1971 Murray Rothbard, pensatore anarco-capitalista, scrisse per la rivista The Individualist un articolo nel quale definiva le teorie di Friedman come totalitarie e stataliste. Is that right? Le sue idee sono ancora oggi oggetto di accesi dibattiti: ad esempio, rigettò la stakeholder view e la responsabilità sociale d'impresa, sul piano economico ed etico, sostenendo che i manager sono agenti per conto terzi e dipendenti dei proprietari-azionisti, e che devono agire nell'interesse esclusivo di questi ultimi (utilizzare il denaro degli azionisti per risolvere problemi sociali, significa fare della beneficenza con i soldi degli altri, senza averne il permesso e tassarli senza dare un corrispondente servizio, violando il principio del no taxation without representation). [10] Piñera, uomo molto vicino a Friedman e fratello del futuro presidente Sebastián Piñera, sarà estromesso dal governo nel 1981 e pronuncerà poi invettive contro la tortura come atto sempre inaccettabile. "The business did a bad thing. Perhaps it’s unsurprising that Britain, in which neoliberal ideology has been most rigorously applied, is the loneliness capital of Europe. 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